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Sachin Patel On Functional Medicine And A Holistic Approach To Health

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“The doctor of the future is really who today we consider the patient.”
— Sachin Patel

Greetings, SuperFriends!

This week we are joined by another SuperFriend that I made out there in the real world, someone who I really bonded with when I met them. His name is Sachin Patel.

Sachin is a functional medicine practitioner who runs the institute called The Living Proof Institute. He actually started his career out as a chiropractor, but has since then become a father, husband, philanthropist, functional medicine practice success coach, international speaker, and best-selling author.

His philosophy, as you guys will learn, is that “The doctor of the future is the patient”. And he's actually going to explain exactly what that means and how he and his company are putting that into practice and into reality.

I really enjoy every conversation that I've had with Sachin, because he has really done the necessary work and he really has the knowledge. He knows much more than many medical doctors out there, and, in this episode, we share our passion for geeking out and optimizing on the human body.

You will definitely see that within the first few minutes of the conversation. We actually dive quite deeply into the topic. We talk about all the different kinds of testing, we talk about functional medicine and who it's right for, and we talk about his favorite ways to optimize the human experience, which, you know, is what this whole show is about.

I really enjoyed this episode as you can tell. I'm energized and pumped up, and I'm sure that you will be too, after listening to it.

-Jonathan Levi

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In this episode, we discuss:

  • How Jonathan met Sachin Patel [4:40]
  • Who is Sachin Patel, what does he do, and how did he get into it? [5:20]
  • A brief introduction to what functional medicine is [7:40]
  • The difference in approach between a traditionally educated doctor and one educated in functional medicine [10:20]
  • The ownership of your health is yours, not your body's [11:00]
  • Focusing on the root cause vs focusing on diseases [13:30]
  • The spiritual and the environmental aspects of health [15:00]
  • No matter how much we think we aren't, we are still part of nature [16:20]
  • Everything can fall under a functional medicine practitioner's practice, but not necessarily [18:10]
  • What are some lifestyle changes and behavior patterns that really help people feel, perform and live better? [21:05]
  • How did getting a deeper understanding of his health change Sachin's health and behavior? [21:20]
  • There are some things that are good for everyone, but you should establish your own baseline [25:30]
  • Your health level is the ceiling for everything else that you do in life [26:10]
  • There are many things that have to do with your health on a subconscious level [27:20]
  • The interpretation of a test is the actually important thing [29:00]
  • Making sense out of genetics (and more) [31:45]
  • What are some products that Sachin Patel cannot live without? [34:00]
  • What are infrared saunas, and what are their benefits? [36:15]
  • In order to take ownership of your health, you need to educate yourself [40:15]
  • Where to start taking action on what Sachin Patel is doing [42:50]
  • A few words about Sachin Patel's upcoming book [43:45]

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Favorite Quotes from Sachin Patel:

“I realized that there was a massive need, and where there is need there is opportunity.”
“Once your mind expands, it's hard to contract.”
“Doctors aren't trained, they are programmed.”
“We never blame the body for the state that the body is in.”
“The same logic we would apply to anything living on this planet applies to us as well.”
“I want the world to get the best version of people.”
“It's very easy to see results when you're actually taking strategic actions.”
“It's not about getting the testing, it's about who is interpreting the testing.”
“We're moving into an era where there is going to be 100% personalization.”


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Greeting SuperFriends, and welcome, welcome back. This week we are joined by another SuperFriend that I made out there in the real world, someone who I really bonded with when I met them and his name is Sachin Patel. He is a functional medicine practitioner who runs something called the Living Proof Institute. He actually started his career out as a chiropractor but has become a father, husband, philanthropist, functional medicine, practice, success, coach international speaker, and bestselling author.

His philosophy as you guys will learn is that the doctor of the future is the patient that he's actually going to explain exactly what that means and how he and his company are putting that into practice and into reality. I really enjoy every conversation that I've had with Sachin because he has really done the work and he really has the knowledge. He knows more than many medical doctors out there in the world and we share our passion for geeking out and optimizing on the human body. You will definitely see that within the first few minutes of the conversation we go in and we go very, very deep. We talk about all the different kinds of testing, but we talk about functional medicine and who it's right for. And we talk about his favorite ways to optimize the human experience, which is what this whole show is about. I really enjoyed this episode, as you can tell, I'm energized and pumped up, and I'm sure that you will be too after listening to it. So without any further ado, let me present to you. My new SuperFriend. Mr. Sachin Patel,

Sachin, welcome my friend. Good to connect with you again. How are you doing today?

Sachin Patel: I'm doing well. How are you, my friend

Jonathan Levi: I am doing phenomenally. This is like my second to last conversation before a two-week vacation. So I'm excited to send myself off with some great tips and tricks and strategies to try out over the next couple of weeks.

Sachin Patel: I will. I'm excited to share them with you and excited to be here and speak to your audience. The pleasure is certainly mine and I want to congratulate everyone that's listening today because you're probably one of the smaller percentage of the population that's really looking to take your life to the next level and I hope to deliver on that promise.

Jonathan Levi: I'm sure you will. So to give our audience a little bit of context, you and I been to sit together over breakfast at Genius Network back in last month really, or beginning of this month, oh, my God, was it really the beginning of this month? Three weeks ago and we made sure to act on it basically, I was just blown away by your knowledge and you were telling me stuff that despite the fact that I've been doing this podcast for three years, blew my mind that I had never heard of all these performance upgrades, by the way, the following day, I took advantage of that and I actually went and did a Maddix. Session. So I thought that was really cool, like acting on it right away. But let me give the audience a little bit of context for those who haven't had the pleasure of having a meal with you. Tell us a little bit about who you are, what you do and also, I didn't get a chance to ask you last time, how you got into it.

Sachin Patel: Sure. Absolutely. I'm happy to share that. I'll give everyone the short version that I think is relevant to this particular audience because I've been through many, many things and a lot of the experiences have carved me into the person that I am and have shaped my interests as well and the things that I attend to pursue.

So from a career standpoint, you know, I was originally trained as a chiropractor in the sports field and I specialize in working with elite level athletes and in 2006, I was featured on the news for helping people at tennis elbow golfer's elbow, we had a whole bunch of people call the office and only one of them out of the 80 people that called actually had an issue with their elbow. But their elbow issue is actually related to a chronic health issue that they were facing that was causing their own body to eat away at their joints and at the time, I was really not familiar with helping people with auto-immune conditions, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue. You know, I was working with elite athletes.

So the people that were coming in to see me were complaining that they couldn't run a sub-three-hour marathon. So I was dealing with a whole different set of problems, pretty much overnight as a result of this news report and so at that time, I really didn't know how to help these people. So I actually had to turn them away and it was like the hardest thing for me to do because I went from helping people and getting great results to having to turn people away and realizing through this process that not only was it me that couldn't help them but none of the other people that they were seeing up to this point were helping them either.

And so I realized that there was a massive need and where there is need, there is opportunity. So I started learning about functional medicine through a man who, somebody who later became a mentor of mine, Dr. Ron Grisanti and I was like, I was blown away with some of the case studies. He was sharing because they resembled the case studies that were coming into my office at that time as a result of that news report.

And so I took it upon myself. I said you know, what do I really want to change careers? Or do I want to go down the path that I'm continuing down and once your mind expands, as I'm sure you're familiar with Jonathan, it's hard to contract? It's hard, for it to become small again and ignore the things that you know.

 And, and so I started trying to apply functional medicine with my elite athletes and patients and the person I was working with didn't want anything to do with it. So she didn't see the potential that I saw and she saw complexity and having to learn a new whole set of skills. But I was so passionate about it, that I was happy to learn it and start implementing it. And we started getting better results with our athletes as well. So the principles of functional medicine work with people who are really healthy and that's why it's relevant to this audience. But it also works with people who are really unwell and it might be relevant to this audience as well, because you might know somebody who's struggling with their health, but doesn't know how to climb out of this box and the cool thing about what I do now is I help practitioners perform at their peak and I run practices that help the population run at its peak performance level, again, the principles are identical.

So the principles you would use to help somebody cure cancer or to overcome their autoimmune condition or to overcome their fibromyalgia are the same principles that you would use to get a healthy person, even healthier because what we do is we focus on the mind. We focus on the body and the biochemistry, we focus on the physical aspects of health, we focus on the emotional aspects of health, the chemical aspects of health, and the spiritual aspects of health because our goal, when we work with any person is to get them to their peak state of existence and whether they're sick or they're healthy, the concepts and the principles are the same.

So we use this kind of across the spectrum to help a multitude of different people live their best lives. You know, now that I've learned this, you know, not only did I not stay quiet, but I started two offices, one in Toronto and one in Cincinnati, but now I train about 150 doctors on how to do the same thing in their communities because they're falling in love with the process as well.

So that's kind of where I'm at right now and I just love being able to share this information so that others who are interested and engaged in their health can really leverage that and my big mantra now that I'm trying to get across to the masses is that, you know, the doctor of the future is really who today we consider the patient, you know, there's decentralization and democratization of information, especially in the health space that's going on right now where you can literally know more than your doctor about your hair health because everything is becoming so much more accessible and nobody should care about your health more than you do. So the technology is there. The infrastructure is there for us to become our own best doctors and I want to lead that charge.

Jonathan Levi: I love that and I love everything that you said. And I also love the part where you're training doctors to focus back in on what they're doing in their profession. And, you know, it kind of got me thinking we've had some functional medicine folks on the show, but we've never actually gone into this idea of, because it sounds, the word sounds so logical, right? Functional medicine, but functional fitness is very different from your traditional 1980s pumping iron fitness and I think that functional medicine is also very, very different from traditional medicine. So explain to us a little bit, I mean, compare a doctor who was trained in the 1970s to a doctor who's been trained in functional medicine. How is their approach different?

Sachin Patel: Well, the first thing I want to say is, is doctors aren't trained, they're programmed. So it's important to understand that because they're programmed to think in a certain way and so they have to have, you know, certain criteria that's being met in order for that programming too, you know, to operate. So when you work with a medical doctor, they're programmed to think a certain way and a functional medicine doctor is programmed to think in a different way. It's not good or bad people. It's the way we've been programmed to think. So the biggest difference in allopathic or western traditional healthcare versus functional medicine-based interventions is that we never blame the body for the state that the body is in.

It's kind of like blaming the car for the accident, right? So if you went to an auto body shop, odds are that most of the cars there that got into those accidents, the accidents were caused by the driver or another driver, not by the car itself. So we would never blame the car for the accident, or very rarely would that ever happen.

And it does happen people do have genetic defects, rare abnormalities, but for the most part, it's not the car's fault, it's the driver's fault. And so if we keep blaming the car, and not the driver, then we'll never change the behavior of the driver and the driver will always blame their car and if that's the only car that they get, then they're kind of stuck in this negative loop of thinking that it's their body's fault and they never take action to do anything about it. So fundamentally, that's a big difference that we look at the body as this beautiful self-creating, self-healing mechanism which has infinite wisdom and intelligence built into it. Whereas the allopathic model thinks that the body is making a mistake and it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing and the driver has nothing to do with the user has nothing to do with the outcome. And so this separates the user from the healing journey as well. If we separate the user from the creation of the disease, then we also have to separate them and keep them separate from the healing process. And so what ends up happening is people delegate their health to a regular medical doctor.

So they go in and say, hey, fix me because I didn't cause this problem. It's my body's problem. And body's fault. You got to fix my body, not me, right? So the ownership now becomes the doctor's responsibility to fix. Whereas in a functional medicine practice in my practice is the patient produces the outcome. The doctor is the teacher that were doctor in Latin means teacher. That's our job to teach, not do the work for people, right? So we teach them what they need to do, and we teach them that they're blessed with this amazing body that in the next six months, 90% of the cells are going to replace themselves with brand new cells.

We teach them how to leverage that opportunity. Your body's in a constant state of dying and replacing itself. So every day you're born with brand new cells. You know, cells die and these cells replace themselves with healthy brand new cells and so if we send these cells the right message, if we send these brand new cells, the right nutrients, then they're going to function the way they're supposed to.

So you're able to literally at a molecular level, you're reborn in every minute of your life and so philosophically that's a big difference. Another big difference is that we don't focus on diseases. What we focus on is the root cause and so in allopathic medicine, a patient has to meet certain criteria in order for them to get a diagnosis.

Now, you know, Dan Sullivan says this, whoever names, the game owns the game. So if somebody else is defining the criteria for your disease, and there are certain markers that have to come up positive on a piece of paper, well guess who owns your condition now? Guess who owns when something is going to be done for you and guess who owns, what's going to be done for you?

So in a diagnosis-centered model, what the assumption is, and this is so ridiculous when you say it out loud, the assumption is, is that chronic diseases develop in isolation. So we label people with heart disease. We label people with diabetes. We label people with Alzheimer's. Well, that's ridiculous because the same blood goes everywhere.

So the same blood that's destroying your brain is the same blood that's destroying every part of your body. Something that's bad for your heart is not going to be good for any other tissue in your body. The body's designed in a way that what's good for one organ is good for every organ and our medical system kind of separates all these systems apart, which means that when you have that type of separation, you're willing to lower somebody's cholesterol and destroy their kidneys and their liver and their muscle tissue as a side effect or as a collateral damage. Whereas in a functional medicine model, that would be unacceptable. It would never be acceptable for us to help a patient heal their heart.

It wouldn't even be possible to heal somebody's heart and then do something that also destroys their kidneys and liver and the muscle tissue in their brain. You know, it just doesn't make sense when you think of it logically. So yeah, there is a lot of fundamental differences now. In medicine, the thing that's also not very well looked at or understood or explored is the spiritual aspects of health, the environmental aspects of health, the aspects of health that are affected by our relationships and also our subconscious programming.

Those things are overlooked in traditional medicine and those are things that we incorporate into our practice specifically through our proprietary process. So we've kind of taken functional medicine as one of our central pillars to help people get well. But then we layer on mindset, we layer on environment, we layer on other elements that can help people break through barriers and other aspects of their life because your health is really connected to all of these things. It's not just connected to what your lab work says on a piece of paper or what supplements you're taking. There's many different layers that are often left on the table in traditional healthcare models.

Jonathan Levi: I love that. And one of the things that stood out for me as I was going through my notes of the Genius Network was just what a phenomenal and deep and moving spiritual conversation you and I had despite the fact that you are trained as a man of science. And I thought that that was just this wonderful, you know, you can play both sides of the coin and you can have respect for both sides and see how they integrate together and I really appreciated that conversation as well.

Sachin Patel: Thank you. Thank you. And it really has to be, you know, one of the biggest mistakes we've made. And one of my mentors, James Chestnut said, this is that we've separated ourselves from nature. And so once we separate ourselves from nature, then what we think is that the laws of nature don't apply to us.

Jonathan Levi: Right.

Sachin Patel: There's nothing further from the truth than that and so once we start seeing ourselves as a product of nature and being part of nature, then we just apply the same logic that we would apply to a tree, the same logic we would apply to our pets, the same logic that we would apply to anything living on this planet applies to us as well. You know? And, and so it's just, it's amazing, you know, how illogical people's thinking is, but that's all a result of programming, right? That's why they call it television programming. You watch thousands of commercials that tell you, hey, you've got this problem. Go see your doctor because that's the only way to fix this problem, right? Well, no, there's so many different ways to fix problems, and really when it comes to your health, you know, I know this conversation isn't geared towards people who are sick, but you know, the optimization requires the same attention to detail, right? And when we realized that we could use the same concepts to heal people who are really, really unwell and get them feeling their best again, imagine what you could do using the same principles of somebody who's already, well, you could turn them into a Superhuman, right? And that's what this whole conversation is about.

Jonathan Levi: Absolutely and it sounds to some extent, as I'm hearing you talk as though nothing falls really outside of the scope of functional medicine, whereas a lot of things fall outside the scope of classical medicine. So for example, plant medicines, for a psychological trauma could fall within functional medicine, spiritual or familial bonds could fall within functional medicine.

Is there anything that you can think of that actually falls completely outside the perspective that a functional medicine practitioner just doesn't take into consideration?

Sachin Patel: You know, it depends on the practitioner. So there are some people who call themselves functional medicine practitioners, but don't go this deep. There's some people that will specialize in certain organ systems and position their practices as specialists in those organ systems whereas I think what makes our message a little bit different in our practice specifically? So I can only speak for our practice is that we look at every element. So, you know, we look at, you know, people's financial situations. We look at their communication styles, in fact, on our intake form. One of the most important pages is we get people they don't know this when they're doing it, but we get them to fill out a communication questionnaire so that they can be better communicated to by us. But then we also train them on how to better communicate with their partners and their coworkers, because we find a lot of conflicts comes from poor communication and misunderstanding, and that conflict and misunderstanding create elevated cortisol levels for people and if that conflict doesn't get resolved at work, then they're going to have chronically elevated cortisol levels while they're going to the doctor to try to lower those things.

So, you know, we just try to go as upstream to where the problem is coming from as much as possible, and because we're not kind of stuck in this insurance model of care where you have to wait until somebody meets certain like threshold criteria of disease before you can actually help them. We're able to do so much more and think outside the box and do whatever it takes to help the person get better again.

And you know, a lot of holistic and, you know, non-conventional practices, we'll still treat conditions. So there's still disease and conditions specific, whereas we're optimization oriented. So we're trying to look at every opportunity in every area of your life because one to 5% in five different areas of your life that could be transformational for most people.

And if we just get 1% or 5% or 10% improvement on your blood markers, that's not really transformational to me, right? I want people to be completely transformed person from the way they function from the way they think from the way they operate from the way they contribute. I want transformation in many areas of their life and health is central to making that happen.

And that's where we love the performance optimization aspect of it because then the world gets the best version of that person.

Jonathan Levi: That's phenomenal. And that's just wonderful. Tagline really, you know, helping the world get the best version of people, I think is such an important calling and mission.

I want to transition the session into some of the hacks because as we were sitting in the room at genius network, you know, you're raising your hand and saying, Oh yeah, that works on this biomarker. And just your knowledge of medicine exceeds many of the medical doctors that I know, what are some of the most impactful hacks.

And I hate to channel you into hacks, but maybe I'll say lifestyle changes or behavior patterns or upgrades that you have discovered working in your own life. And working with clients that really helps people feel better, perform better, live better.

Sachin Patel: Well, I think the best thing, and that's a loaded question because it could mean different things for different people.

What worked really, really well for me is just getting a deeper understanding of myself. And, you know, I've done that through genetic testing that looks at my executive function. That looks at my oxidative stress levels. So I realized when I had a recent genetic test done, I realize why I hate doing cardio.

And the reason I hate doing cardio type exercises is not because I'm lazy or not, because I'm weak. It's because they have high levels of oxidative stress in my mitochondria. So I'm actually. advised not to do cardiovascular exercises. So this whole time I thought, you know, I was kind of beating myself up for not enjoying cardio or never experiencing that runner's high because I have lots of oxidation that occurs in my mitochondria.

And so once I realized that it gave me a lot of. That was a sigh of relief that I wasn't a bad person. You know what I mean? That I wasn't like weak or I didn't have, uh, you know, it, wasn't a mental thing of those really a physiological reason why I don't feel well when I run, you know, steady state exercises.

And I was advised by my geneticists who consulted me that I'm better off doing weight training exercises, which is what I love doing. So it, you know, it, it allowed me to validate some of my decision-making. It allowed me to, you know, double down on weightlifting and not feel so bad about not weight training, for example.

When I get my executive function testing done, I realized that I have all the genetics of, you know, two of the most dangerous people on the planet. One is an addict and also the other one is an entrepreneur. So entrepreneurs and addicts are wired genetically very similarly. And in the wrong environment, that person becomes an addict in the right environment.

That person becomes an entrepreneur. And that can be dangerous too, because. When you become addicted to your job, or you really become addicted to your mission, you become workaholic. Right. And so, you know, it's interesting that to see that type of wiring. And, and once I saw that, then it helped me explain why I would have shiny object syndrome.

Right. And it was just the way I'm wired and, and it helped me explain why I might have had certain addictive tendencies. Okay. It might explain why I can alleviate stress very quickly. I can get stressed out and I can work well under pressure. Right. Some people don't work well under pressure. So understanding my executive function more clearly has also helped me.

So I think with any journey, it really starts with, you know, knowing what's in your bag, right? If you're going to take a journey of a thousand miles, you want to know what's in your backpack and what you're showing up with. And, and so I really like getting tested. I get stool testing done every year. I recently found out that I had a bunch of pathogenic and stealth infections that I picked up on some of my travels.

So if you travel quite a bit, you're an entrepreneur, you travel quite a bit. You know, I think a big, important thing is are you drinking clean water? And if you're traveling quite a bit, just remember, you're probably eating out quite a bit, which means strangers are handling your food, who might not have the same hygiene.

And, you know, strategies that you do. So people handling your food can also lead to stealth infections. And if you're relatively healthy, these stealth infections don't cause many symptoms, but they can when you're weak. So when you're under extreme amounts of stress, as certain periods of your life, then these infections can create problems for you.

So I discovered good thing. I get tested annually. I realized that I'd picked up some of these things and I started improving my digestive function by addressing some of these pathogens. So I get stool tested every year. I want to know if I'm eating healthy, organic food. I want to make sure I'm not feeding a bunch of bugs that shouldn't be down there.

My healthy, organic food. And I want to make sure that all of what I'm eating is getting absorbed into my own body because that's going to fuel my performance. The other thing I get done is a test called the organic acids test, which looks at nine different systems in your body. It's 46 markers. It looks at mitochondrial function.

So I can see if my mitochondria are getting the nutrition that they need. I, it looks at liver detoxification pathways, so I can see if my body's exposed to things is to getting rid of stuff. You know, if you travel quite a bit, like I do, you're exposed to a lot more toxicity than other people are. We can control our own environments, but I can't control what the hotel's doing.

When I go stay at a hotel, I can't control what convention centers are doing or what kind of air fresheners are being used or what kind of chemicals are being used in the hotel rooms I stay at, or even on the airplanes that I jump on. So, you know, knowing what the stress is, is taking place on these pathways is really important too, because most of these things can be addressed through nutrition, through supplementation.

So it's very easy to see results when. You're actually taking strategic action. So, you know, the word biohacking is a great word, but I like to refer to this as bio tuning, your fine tuning, you're getting a little bit more granular and you're getting more specific with yourself. You know, I think it's pretty safe to say that most people know they should limit their blue light exposure.

They should. Get good quality sleep. You know, they should be meditating. They should be taking some downtime. or just spend time in nature. And those things are what we call panacea. So they'll benefit the general public and everyone should be doing those. That's kind of your baseline. But if you're looking to take it to the next level and really get a deeper understanding of, you know, what drives you, what motivates you, what your internal chemistry is like, and you want to supercharge and fine tune that.

Then yeah, then functional medicine from a performance standpoint, it really allows you to take things to the next level. And for most people, you know, if you can get an extra 10%, which that's pretty easy to get with most people, if you can get an extra 10%, what does that mean for you? What does that mean for your career?

What does that mean for your relationships? What does that mean for you as a father or you as a husband or a boyfriend or whatever, whatever your role is in life, you know, your health spills into every area of your life. So if your health is a seven. Which is pretty good at this day and age, if it's an eight or a nine, then you know, let's say it's an eight, let's just be generous and say that your health is an eight, then you're an eight and every area of your life, because your health is your ceiling.

So if you're an eight and your health, you're an eight at your business, you're an aide at your job. You're an eight as a dad. You're an eight as a boyfriend But if things go up to like nine or 10, it's an exponential, right? So it's not linear. So somebody who's a six versus somebody who is an eight. That's not just, you know, a two point difference.

That's an exponential difference between those two. So kind of logarithmic if you think about it. So, you know, jumping up one point is like jumping up 10 notches, if you will. And so, you know, the way to get there is by really doing a deeper understanding of yourself, we also use. Mindset mastery in our program as well.

So we actually have a mindset hypnotherapist who can take all that, you know, that deep subconscious programming, which occurs between the age of zero and seven and rewrite that code. Uh, so that you're you're, you know, if you grew up in a scarcity minded home, which I did. Then you've got to erase all those tracks and you've got to put new tracks on there, right?

Jonathan Levi: Yes.

Sachin Patel: And here's the clue like if you find yourself kind of stuck in a pattern and you can't get out of it, it's probably not a conscious problem. It's a subconscious problem. And the easiest way to visualize that from an analogy standpoint, imagine typing on your keyboard and then you see a mistake on the screen, but then you take white out and white out the screen.

You know, that's fixing a subconscious problem at a conscious level. And as soon as you scroll down, the problem shows right back up because you didn't get behind the screen and erased, you know, you didn't get on the keyboard and erase those keys. You just kind of tried to write over it. And so, you know, a lot of times, if we're stuck in these patterns, it's not because we're weak or we have weak willpower it's because those codes are deeply written into our brain, into a part of our brain that's trying to protect us because that was our understanding of the world between the age of zero and seven. And so the brain is doing what it thinks it needs to be doing to protect you, but it's really harming you because you're trying to break through to a different level at this point in your life.

Jonathan Levi: This is all huge. What you're saying, two things I want to catch before we move on that I think really stood out to me. And I haven't heard enough of, you talked to him about genetics testing and you talked about stool testing. Is that something that you guys do through your program? Is that something that you would recommend, do you have a company that you recommend or that people can try out.

Sachin Patel: Yeah. So this is a pretty deep dive. And what that means is that you want to, it's not about getting the testing. It's about, who's interpreting the testing, right? So that's very important because sometimes we'll actually get, I'll tell you a story. We get patients all the time. They call us from all over the place and they say, Hey, And what testing do you use?

I want to get my doctor to order it. And so, you know, what that person is failing to understand is they're failing to understand how important the interpretation of that information is. Information is empowering, its an interpretation of information. That's what gives you super powers. So, yeah. You know, it's funny because people will call us and be like, Oh, Kathy, I just have my doctor ordered this test.

I'm like, yeah, you can have your doctor order the test. But the dangerous part is that if your doctor has an order, this test on you ever, that means you haven't ordered it on anyone else ever, which means that you're going to be their first patient. And I would not want to be anyone's first patient. So we've done thousands of these tests.

And so the key here is we have a 46 page intake form that our clients fill out. So that gives us, a very deep understanding of who they are, what they can tell us about themselves. The lab testing then tells us what they can't tell us about themselves. Cause these are what we call blind spots if you will.

And then there's another layer emotionally, which they can't tell us about themselves because it's subconscious. So, you know, really it takes all of these pieces coming together. And somebody who knows how to put all these pieces together to then create and formulate, you know, a nutrition plan for somebody, a supplement plan for somebody, a mindset plan, an environmental plan, you know, all these things then come together cohesively to then create a strategy, uh, for this person.

So, yeah. I'm not saying we're the only people that do that. We're the only people that I know of that put all of those things together. Typically you'd have to see like five or six different people to get all those pieces put together for a union. You have to tell your story to five or six. People may not be all communicating with one another.

So we try to put it all in, you know, under one roof because you know, we're kind of doubling down on the idea that people want to be the best version of themselves in every area of their life and not have to work with 50 different people to make that happen.

Jonathan Levi: Wow. Incredible. And, and I'm looking at some of your programs where you'll work with clients because it's, it's very interesting what you're saying.

You know, I've done the 23 and me, and I've done the uBiome and at the end of the day, you just have this stack of information. And I've said this before, and I said this when we interviewed Jessica Richmond of uBiome is. As the consumer, I may be the doctor of the future, but right now I don't know how to act on the information.

I know that I metabolize caffeine four times faster than the average person, and I know my genetic makeup to a certain extent, but I don't actually know how to live my life any better. As a result of all these tests that have done.

Sachin Patel: Right. One of the tests that we do, and I believe I showed it to you, but one of the tests that we do is, is actually designed to look at your genetics and make it right.

The reason out of it. So one of the world's leading geneticists, there's only like five of them that are trained to this level. His name is  and I've worked together looking at my genes and he's going to be looking at some of the genes of people from Genius Network as well. To see, you know, we're going to look for certain patterns for example, but what I'm trying to get at is that he looks at the whole picture, and then his company can actually formulate and compound a multivitamin, which covers your bases.

Like it's going to cover your baseline needs from a Nutrogenomix standpoint. And it's customized specifically for you. So we're moving into an era where there's going to be 100% personalization. The technology to do this is, you know, it was Moore's law. It's getting cheaper and cheaper and, uh, it's becoming more and more accessible to people.

So there are people that are, and there are companies now that are taking this information and then actually creating a solution. They're layering a solution on top of the information that they're acquiring. So you can get pretty granular and then. You know, with the testing that we do, we can find out, okay, well, if you're low in these nutrients, well, maybe you're either not eating them or maybe you're not digesting them or you're not absorbing them, or your demand is really high.

So let's find out where that bucket is leaky so that we can optimize it as well. Well, I'll

Jonathan Levi: keep you on the phone after the recording, because I'm super tempted to inquire about this stuff, just because, you know, I, I know all the strategies and, and not all the strategies, but many of the strategies, but it is at the end of the day, it comes down to personalization and every week we throw so much information at people, but at the end of the day, as you said, there are a handful of panaceas and then yeah, it really takes a lot of interpretation and testing.

One way or another, right. Testing it in your own life and keeping a log of how you feel after you go on paleo for six months or testing your body and your genetics and your blood to really suss this stuff out. So, yeah, I, I think I'll, I'll take you up on the, on the conversation after I want to ask you Sachin.

What are some products that you simply could not live without things that help you feel better help you live better help you work better?

Sachin Patel: That's a great question. You know, the thing that I love the most in, I guess, one of my favorite tools that I have, and it's been transformational for me is an infrared sauna.

So we live in a, in a condo in Mississauga. So we live in a pretty busy area. And one of my missions this year is to move somewhere quiet, trying to take my in-laws with me because they're a big anchor for us right now. But you know, so my wife and I recently invested in an infrared sauna. And it's kind of our sanctuary, it's our spa within our condo, which is, you know, in a busy part of town, as I said.

And, uh, that's been a great investment because I can go in there and meditate. I can go in there and write, I actually wrote an entire book for my sauna. I dictated the whole thing from there. So that's my quiet, happy place. That's been a great investment for me because I can kind of be productive. And I can be in my own space and I can kind of lock myself away from other distractions and I can do some work in there if I need to, or I can just have some quiet time.

So that's been something that I really enjoy when I travel. That's the thing that I probably miss the most. And there's so many things, dude. I, I mean, I love my Berkey water filter. That's another thing I try to drink as much clean water, filtered water on fluoridated water as possible. I love my gadgets.

You know, I love my gadgets because it allows me to do things like this, you know, have this conversation with you across the world. You know, there's so many things I'm grateful for. So it's hard to narrow it down to just one thing. But I would say that you know, the thing that I use every single day that I'm very grateful for is my phone.

My phone allows me to travel. It allows me to stay connected. It allows me to listen to audio books allows me to listen to your podcasts. Like it allows me to do so many things in my life and yeah. We're kind of at a point where people are really annoyed by their phones and they're not grateful for their phones anymore, but without it, I don't think I could do all of the amazing things that I do.

So I'm grateful for that as well. I just want to give my phone a shout-out.

Jonathan Levi: Yeah, there is that balance. Cause I hate my phone, but I also love it. I love that it's me, but I hate what it does too. I mean, because just as you are worrying about the toxins in the hotel room, I'm all about what's happening in people's psychology and their ability to learn and get into a flow and it is that delicate balance, but I want to come back session to the infrared sauna because I have to admit that is something that we have never talked about on the show. So pitch me on this whole thing. How is it different from a regular sauna? Some of the health benefits that I've seen are a little far-fetched like eliminates toxins and, you know, tell me all about it.

Sachin Patel: Why'd you get one? Sure. So it was actually a gift for my wife. She came out of abdominal surgery. A few years ago developed a bowel obstruction after delivering my son, she's genetically prone to scarring. So if she develops scar tissue, it envelopes her abdomen. And she ended up having a second bowel obstruction, which is about 30% of people have that.

And she had to have another surgery done, which is kind of scary. You know, I wanted to get her something that would help her recover. Something that would help her reduce her stress levels as well. Just give her that quiet space. I mean, even if you didn't turn this on, on ages, sat in that space, it's meditative, it gets you into a good space.

So when you turn it on, we have a specific type of sauna that has near far and mid infrared. And so the near infrared is going to be more healing and regenerative to the skin. And it's going to bring blood flow to the skin. The mid is going to get a little bit deeper and the far is going to get even deeper than that.

And Dr. Klinghard, who's probably one of the leading world's experts in heavy metal detoxification he's reported great results in heavy metal detoxification with, uh, infrared saunas. So that's one of the big benefits of it as well. But you know, one of the things that. Sweating gets us to do, especially a deep sweat, like an infrared sweat is that it helps us mobilize toxins.

It helps us there. Studies have shown that infrared therapy also increases testosterone and growth hormone levels. So that's been shown you, you got to do it two hours a day, which is not always realistic, but these things are dose dependent. So if you can get in half an hour a day, then you're going to increase growth, hormone production.

Wow. The sauna that I have is made by a company called Sunlighten and it also has sound and vibrational therapy built into it as well. So there's, uh, you know, there's speakers that vibrate and that, that increases, you know, uh, healing properties. And it also increases, uh, mobilization of the lymph. Your lymph is your body's sewage system.

And so vibration, whether it's through walking or bouncing on a trampoline, or whether it's through sound, it's going to help mobilize lymphatic tissue and drain some of these toxic sludge out of your body. So there's tremendous amounts of benefits to it. And, you know, we all know the benefits of sweating, sweating increases, you know, the immune system function as well and knock on wood.

Like I haven't been sick in about 10 years, so it's been a while since I've had. Sore throat or I haven't missed a day of work or anything. And I've been traveling so much lately. I was, as I was telling you earlier. And I just came back from Orlando and my throat was kind of feeling a little funky and I had to be on a speaker panel yesterday.

Jonathan Levi:  So I went into my sauna twice and I actually have a bio-mat that I lay on my bed, which is a far-infrared pad. I put that on twice. The next day I was 100%. And so, you know, amazing, amazing outcomes I've had personally with infrared therapy, whether it's in the sauna or whether it's through my mat called a bio-mat, you're on a different level with the gadgets.

I'm all about the pills and potions. Right? I could tell you all about all the mushrooms and the nootropics. You're on a different level with the gadgets. I got to get a list from you of all these different things. Cause this sunlight I'm looking at it. Now, this looks amazing. I wonder if I can get them to ship one of these.

Sachin Patel: They're awesome, dude. Like you will love it. And uh, I know the CEO, Connie. And so if you're interested in interviewing her or talking to her a little bit more about this, then I can definitely introduce you to her. She's got an amazing story about how her brother recovered using the sauna. I would love to interview her.

Jonathan Levi: That would be a great starting point for sure. Sure. That'd be really, really cool. Awesome secession. I know we are coming up on time. I know because the sun is setting here where I am, but I wanted to ask you are there. Any other things that we didn't cover, that you would like for people to know about functional medicine and just about their own health, really?

I mean, things that people have misconceptions around, for example, you talked about, you know, people thinking that their health is a certain way in blaming their body. I thought that was an incredible point. Are there any other things that people need to know about their health and their responsibility for health that you would want to impart to them?

Sachin Patel: Yeah. So here's what I would say to everybody. Just to remember, like, if you're the doctor of the future, which you are, then all doctors got training. All doctors work with somebody under somebody else's supervision before they got that designation. So, you know, I believe that you're the doctor of the future, but I also believe that you need to be trained.

You need somebody to help you find your blind spots. You need somebody to help you understand where you need to look. So that you can continue to maintain your health. So a big challenge right now is that I find is that a lot of people are trying to figure this out on their own. And that gets very expensive.

It can get very frustrating and then sometimes people give up, but by working with a pro, working with somebody who's trained in this arena and somebody who can ask you the right questions, the questions that you're probably not asking yourself, or somebody who can help you find your blind spots, which you don't even know you have, because.

That's why they're called blind spots. Then my suggestion would be to find somebody that you can work with locally. Now, one of the things that you have to be careful with is not everybody has the same level of training. So right now, the thing with functional medicine is that it's not like board regulated in the sense that there's a standardization to what that means.

So you'd really have to interview whoever you work with. Our practice works with people remotely. We have people that we work with all over the world. Primarily in North America and Canada, it's usually easier that way. We usually try to talk our overseas patients out of it because sometimes it's hard to get products and testing and stuff like that to them.

But if you're overseas, we can certainly help. Uh, that's a bummer. Well, we have people overseas, so there's people that you can work with locally that we have trained. So remember, we've trained about 150 practitioners all over the world to be able to help you. And that's. Part of our mission to create a solution is to train more and more practitioners.

And so if you're overseas, then certainly we can help you find somebody that's close to you that can work in the same hemisphere as you and get you the right testing and all that stuff. Uh, it just means that there'll be some obstacles for us, our office, particularly we're working with those individuals, but would that being said, you know, whoever you work with, make sure that their core values align with your core values.

Right? Their definition of health is the same as your definition of health. Make sure they're covering more than just your chemistry and your deficiencies. Make sure they're also looking at the mental, emotional, spiritual, environmental, you know, aspects of your health, because those are all very critical contributors to your optimal life.

And so there's, there's a lot of questions that you can start asking to make sure you're working with the right person. Now, another thing that I'd like to, if it's okay with you, Jonathan, I'd like to let people know we have, uh, a free 30-day program. And that program is called 30 in 30, 30 Ways in 30 Days.

And if you go to 3 0 I N 3, then what you'll be able to do is you'll get 30 of my best health tips. And if you like what you heard today, then you'll get even more deeper insights into a variety of different topics. And then from there, you can see, am I doing the foundational stuff that I need to be doing?

And if you're doing those things and you still feel like, Hey, there's more potential here, which I guarantee there is. Then you can certainly than at that point, jump on a call with somebody from my team and we can certainly explore to see what mysteries are still out there in terms of, you know, Getting to realize how to become the best version of yourself.

So the is a great place for a lot of people to start because, you know, that's where they can kind of check off the list. Hey, I'm already doing these things. Uh, what more can I do to optimize?

Jonathan Levi: I love that. That's a brilliant place to end right there. I did want to ask you though. I understand you know, this episode will likely come out in June or July. I understand you also have a book coming out that people can read. Tell me

Sachin Patel: about that. Yeah, sure. So I wrote a book called the motivation molecule and the basis of the book is to help people understand, you know, motivation from a biochemical perspective.

So, you know, I'm going to Tony Robbins, uh, here in the next few months and I've heard him speak a few times and Tony is very inspirational and motivational and he gets people amped up. But if you don't have the right chemistry in your body, right. Then you're not going to be able to create action. So there is a particular molecule called dopamine, which people are probably familiar with important neurotransmitter that gets us going, gets us feeling motivated and inspired and focused, and then also feeling rewarded.

So there's a specific way, nutritionally environmentally also from the way you think and behave to, uh, ways to raise dopamine levels. And there's also ways supplementally to increase dopamine levels. So that you can stay focused and feel accomplished and, and break some of the patterns of addiction because people who are addicts are typically they have dopamine-related problems.

So, you know, really understanding how to stay motivated and inspired and focused is the basis of that book.

Jonathan Levi: Brilliant. And we will put a link to that. Just send me a link when it comes out, we will make sure that that, and the 30 and 30 are all in the blog posts session. I want to thank you so much for your time.

It was once again, a pleasure chatting with you. I do hope we keep in touch and I hope we'll overlap on some more genius.

Sachin Patel: Awesome brother. It was great chatting, Jonathan. I appreciate your time and energy and I appreciate you having me speak to your audience and yeah. I hope that they got a lot of value out of this.

And specifically here's the challenge. I want to give everyone, you know, sign up for the 30 in 30 and then just do one thing. If you just do one thing, but you do a daily, it'll transform your life. I promise you. So that's my challenge to you. Sign up for the 30 and 30 and, and just do one thing. And then I would love to hear your input and feedback when you get there.

Jonathan Levi: Brilliant. All right, my friend, I will talk with you soon.

Sachin Patel: Thank you. Talk to you soon. 

Jonathan Levi: All right, Superfriends. That is all we have for you today, but I hope you guys really enjoyed the show and I hope you learned a ton of actionable information tips, advice that will help you go out there and overcome the impossible.

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  1. Luiz
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    Thanks, I learned a lot of interesting things in past episodes.

  2. Shivaditya Purohit
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    loved th heart and the depth of the conversation. The way that Dr. Metivier shared from his enormous experience and insights was just amazing. Thank you Jonathan for doing this podcast!! 🙂

  3. Rob
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    Great interview with Dr. Greg Wells! He mentioned a doctor from Colorado around the 42:30 point of the podcast, discussing turmeric and black pepper. I couldn’t make out the doctor’s name. Can you provide me with his full name and maybe his website or contact info. Interested in his products.



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    I am new here, and learning really fast.
    Thank you.

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