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“We can create neurological patterns based on our brain chemical responses to exercise and nutrition.”
— Drew Logan

Greetings, SuperFriends!
Today we are joined by Drew Logan. You've probably heard of him – he's a renowned fitness expert, celebrity trainer, and a television star.

But actually, we go through something much more kind of interesting and rare in the beginning of the episode, which is that Drew died. Three times. He is the only known survivor of three consecutive sudden cardiac arrests. Doctors don't know why it happened. They don't know if it'll happen again. And living with that has given drew a really unique mindset and really unique approach to life.

Drew is known for his fitness approach, 25 days, which deals a lot with habit and mindset. And in this episode, we talk about how all that works and how he has created a proven program to rewire your brain, stop weight gain, and finally crush the habits you hate forever. His book will be coming out in September, which if you're listening to this at release, is probably right now. And he sure has a lot of really valuable stuff to offer.


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In this episode, we discuss:

  • Who's Drew Logan, and how did he get to where he is today?
  • What's the difference between a heart attack and a sudden cardiac arrest?
  • What was it like for Drew Logan to literally die… 3 times?
  • A discussion of how rare it is to experience this – and to come back from it
  • What were the psychological effects of this experience for Drew?
  • How did this experience change the way Drew approached his work and his clients?
  • What's Drew's new book, 25 Days, about?
  • A discussion of the neuroscience behind Drew Logan's work
  • What can cocaine teach us about habit formation and nutrition?
  • How can you rewire your habits in just 25 days?
  • Why is fitness so important, no matter who you are and what you do?
  • Insights into Drew's incredibly grateful and positive mentality
  • A homework assignment for everyone do this week
  • Where to learn more about Drew Logan
  • How to qualify for free coaching calls and even a retreat with Drew!
  • What's the #1 takeaway you should remember from this episode?

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Favorite Quotes from Drew Logan:

“As a strength coach… it was either about the way that you looked or the way that you performed… After this, everything changed for me.”
“If you're changing your brain, and you're changing the chemistry of your brain, then you're actually changing the way that you feel .”
“I am it and it is me. It's not something that I learned from positive thinking… I've had to live it.”
“There are 2 things that are driving forces in our lives: One of them is pain, and one of them is pleasure.”
“If there's any other professional out there telling you that you need to do their workout only, or you're not going to get there, you need to stop reading. “
“We're doing exercise to be able to do something else, in the real world, better… Who wants to be the best exerciser? We're trying to do something better in life!”
“I don't care if you're a stock trader, or a brain surgeon, or an orthodontist, or a running back. Whatever you're doing physically, is going to make you operate at a higher level game, whatever game it is that you're playing.”
“At the physical level is where we start everything, mentally.”
“If you don't right it down, it's just a pipe dream.”
“You have no concept of the fragility and brief passing of life… capitalize on the magic that exists every single day.”


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Greetings SuperFriends, and welcome to this week's show. You guys, before we dive into this week's episode, I want to ask you to really, really quickly pause what you're doing. Pause the episode, head over to iTunes or Stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. And go ahead and please leave us a review.

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He's a renowned fitness expert, celebrity trainer, and a television star, but actually, we go through something much more kind of interesting and rare in the beginning of the episode, which is that Drew died three times he is the only known survivor of three consecutive sudden cardiac arrests. Doctors don't know why it happened.

They don't know if it will happen again. And living with that has given Drew a really, really unique mindset and really unique approach to life. Drew is known for his fitness approach, which is called twenty-five days. That deals a lot with habit and mindset. And in this episode, we talk about how all that works and how he has created a proven program to rewire your brain, stop weight gain, and finally crush the habits you hate forever.

His book will be coming out in September, which if you're listening to this is probably right now and. He shares a lot of really valuable stuff. So without any further ado, I'd like to present to you guys. My new super friend, Mr. Drew, Logan

Drew Logan. Welcome to the show, my friend, how are you doing today?

Drew Logan: I'm doing good, Jonathan. Thank you for having me.

Jonathan Levi: Absolute pleasure. I've been really excited about this one and looking forward to hearing you've got a hell of a story and one that I don't hear every single day when folks reach out to be on the show. Yeah. So before we get into that, I'd love for you to kind of tell a little bit about your story, tell the audience what you do and how you got into it. Cause this is a good one.

Drew Logan: Well, the story has kind of convoluted techs, a lot of twists and turns, but to hit the high point, you know, in you're exactly right.

You're not going to hear a lot of stories like this. And for good reason, you know, I've been a strength coach. Uh, first of all, trainer and fitness expert now for, you know, 23 years. So mostly all of my adult life, I started very young, a great bag. Or even as a, as a kid. And then when I was about 20, I started my own business and that's been rest of my life.

I started when I was in college, but about 10 years into it, you know, kind of one of my most famous/infamous moments was October the fourth, 2004 was surviving three sudden cardiac deaths in the same night. Wow. And, uh, let that sink in for a minute. Right? And so a lot of people don't understand the difference with first off.

So let me give you some quick stats so you'll kind of understand, right? So the difference between a heart attack. And what I dealt with, which is sudden cardiac arrest is think of it like your house. Okay. If your body is your house, if you're at home and you know, the plumbing gets stopped up, you call a plumber.

It's a stoppage. Well, that would be a heart attack. Well, If you're at home and all of a sudden a breaker goes out, everything in the house stops, right? And that is a sudden cardiac arrest. It's an electrical malfunction of your heart, that deals with rhythms. So we have a push-pull action. That's going on with our hearts all the time going on right now, yours is mine is everybody's soliciting.

And that synapse between the push in the pool with the blood of the heart though, you know, the, the beats they call it, it creates a synopsis of electricity. And, uh, you may have experienced this if you've ever, if you remember, in the old days when we were kids and you know, we still had antennas on our radio.

Cause you know, you keep kind of run your hand over top of the antenna and you could interfere with the signal, and then it has to do with a polarity that the body has. Right? So our heart is creating this electrical current, well, if rhythmically, it gets out of rhythm, it creates even by a nanosecond, by the way.

It could potentially create this electrical whole storm that causes a sudden cardiac arrest and basically, just your heart quits moving and you're dead. I mean, there's no, no, like there's not a pain. There's no warning. There's no, I feel sick. My stomach is upset. My arm hurts. You know, like the typical stuff for a heart attack, you just fall over years is dead.

That's just, yeah. So that's what I had. And then I was lucky enough that I was at my girlfriend's house. At the time she called the paramedics, paramedics came, they had to shock me three times and, you know, bring me back. Cause I was laying there, man, you got to understand eyes open, face, blue, dead staring at the ceiling, you know, like none, you know, I wasn't like gasping for air or any.

There wasn't any pain. It wasn't a seizure. It wasn't, uh, I was out like next world.

Jonathan Levi: Woah

Drew Logan: And so then they, they shocked me with the paddles, you know, like you see in the movies or like on, you know, ER, one of those shows or something. So like that, I guess code black is the show now on TV at any rate. And they brought me back.

Well, yeah. Then I subsequently had two more in the hospital. Oh my God. Then the doctors induced me into a coma for three days. So long story short after the testing went on, I obviously came out of it and they did a cardio catheterization, which is basically they go through your full Maura artery with a camera.

Into your heart, you know, and they look around for blockages. They look for damage. They look for, you know, maybe this guy's gets something wrong with him. There, there are certain things that they look for a long QT syndrome, what was called or cardiomyopathy, or, uh, you know, very, just different things like that.

That could indicate that a person can have this. I had none of that stuff, a slightly enlarged heart, but most athletes have slightly enlarged hearts and you know, I've been an athlete all my life, so that wasn't out of the ordinary. Right. It's just an overdevelopment, like any muscle. So they said, we don't think that there's any damage.

Maybe there's nothing wrong with him, but we've got to implant him with a, uh, internal cardiac defibrillator, which is, uh, a little device that's in my upper left side of my chest or just under the skin. And it's about the size of, like a garage door opener, but it's round. Okay. It's a little spinner, but it's about that size.

You understand? So maybe just slightly smaller than the Palm of your hand. And it has a wire that runs into my heart with electrodes. So should my heart ever stop again? It'll shock me internally. Boom and keep me alive. So it works just like the cattle do, right? So the interesting statistic, and this is the interesting thing to understand is as they were going to put in this implant, my dad, he asked the doctor, well, why do you have to do this?

And the doctor said, well, in case he ever has another one, you know, we want to keep him alive. And my dad asked him, said, well, what's the chances he's only ever going to have another one. And the doctors said we have no idea. Well, my dad doesn't deal very well with that. You know, being a very, A-type person.

And he said, no, no, you misunderstood. And Mr. Logan only about 200,000 people a year in the United States have sudden cardiac arrest and only about 5% of those people live.

Jonathan Levi: Wow.

Drew Logan: Of the people that have one. And he said, Drew's had three in the same night with no implants and he's got no cardiac damage. I've called the Mayo Clinic and I've called the Cleveland Clinic, but I've called Johns Hopkins University. We think he's the only person in the world that's ever survived. Three of these in the same time with no damage and with no internal device. So we've got to put one in there in case he has one again because we don't know how to fix it.

So that's the rare- and this year,

Jonathan Levi: So they don't know what caused it. They don't know if it'll happen again. Oh my God.

Drew Logan: Right. Knock on wood. It's been 13 years.

Jonathan Levi: Woah, it's incredible. And an incredible story as well. You know, I have to be honest. I thought that the whole interview we would talk about fitness, because that's what you've been doing for 23 years.

But I guess a lot of the first questions that I to ask you are around mindset. I mean, how has this impacted you mentally? How have you lived with this? Is it fear? I'm going to ask you a very open question. Like, what did this do to you psychologically? Because I don't know what else to ask.

Drew Logan: Right. It's something that really, at the time it was hard to deal with, right? Cause so imagine you've been an athlete at the top of your game, all your life, you know, and I was only, I had just, uh, I was 30 and a half, let's say, you know, so, so I mean, like I had just turned 30, you know, and, and I was in great shape and you know, that wasn't any problem or anything like that. So to have this kind of thing happened to you when you've never even, you know, I mean, I'm maybe only been sick half a dozen times in my life, so it feels very counter-intuitive it feels very like it really could drive you into a victim mentality.

You know, I'll be a hundred percent honest with you. One of the things that they don't tell you about heart problems is that because of the way that your heart in your lungs or together and provide oxygen to your brain is that if there's extreme levels of clinical depression that you deal with when you come out of something like this.

Jonathan Levi: Wow.

Drew Logan: And that's something that I had to go through and that's something that I had to deal with and come out on the other side, but your question is really good in as far as mindset and psychologically in that, it took me a while. Once I got past the recovery to really understand, you know, that I had not just a rare survival, but also had a rare opportunity now, like almost like a gift, you know, an opportunity to talk to people about the money, importance of heart health and the importance of their health, from a standpoint, mind you it is completely different than anything that I had done in the previous decade of my work. Right? So as a strength coach and as a fitness expert at always approached it from either a.) Perform better if you're an athlete or b.). Look better, you know, if you're an executive or a mom or an actor or a musician or whoever, it was either about the way that you looked or is about the way that you performed after that, as everything changed for me. And I began to approach it completely differently on two different angles.

First off, I now had an understanding. Okay. What it felt like to have an unbelievable physical obstacle to overcome, to get back to being healthy, because I was, I had to deal with that. You know, it was a long time and before I could get back into my workouts regularly, and just from the standpoint of being cautious.

So it was very psychologically damaging to an athlete. Just go, okay, you're weak, you're damaged. There might be something wrong with you. We're not sure about, you know, take it easy, you know, and that just completely goes against everything that I believe in.

Jonathan Levi: Were you pretty much indestructible before then?

Drew Logan: I was, I really was, you know, I was always, you know, I was the person that would even through, you know, all my years of sports, God would do practice and then work out immediately after practice. So, you know what I mean? Like it was always the ability to overwork and outwork everybody else. You know, I was never the most talented, never the fastest ever the biggest, never any of that type stuff.

But I always could outwork anybody else. And that was always my, kind of my superpower, you know, so to speak. And my, I inherited that from my dad. My dad's the exact same way, and I just couldn't do it anymore because psychologically it was so damaging. Right? And so now when I went back to working with, and I would have obese clients, And I understood intimately for the first time, what they dealt with emotionally and mentally and psychologically with having to get over that thing of feeling like I'm broken. I'm not fixable, I'm damaged, I'm a victim, right? So thankfully, you know, well, I, as you can probably, well imagine had done a lot of work from the standpoint of. We both commonly call it sports psychology, but it's just like ecology and learning through that in all the time that I'd spent working with clients and staff.

So, you know, I had to turn that on myself, you know, and I had to kind of retrain my brain, so to speak, to understand and how to approach things. It led me down a complete different path and hearing him, you know, 13 years later and not only has my, you know, training ways, trained for myself and also for my clients that led me down a, you know, down a path that, uh, wrote up a book that I'm extremely proud of.

That'll, you know, comes out September the 12th and, uh, uh, you know, led me into, you know, a television career and, and things like that. And it's a totally different world. Talking to people about the unbelievably and undeniable, you know, a direct connection between the body and the mind and what actually happens, you know, and really.

What happened to me, opened a door for me to spend time and read research and find out how the brain reacts to food and to exercise. And that's what my book is about is neurological programming and the way that, you know, a food exercise changes your brain. Well, if you're changing your brain and you're changing the chemistry of your brain, then you're actually changing the way that you feel, right.

You're actually changing the dynamic of how you feel. Do I have energy? Do I not have energy? Where does that come from? What is my body using it as an energy? How does that feel if I feel better or that I'm more productive at work, if I'm more productive at work that I'm doing it, right? So when you start connecting the dots, you realize. Jesus. This is just a, it's just a, a linear program of if I start here and I make this happen, knowing that this is going to have a better brain chemical function than it begins to control my emotions, which begin to control how I talk, which began to control how I feel, which began to control what I do, which begins to shape my life, you know?

So had it not been for that. You know, near-death or actual death.

Jonathan Levi:  Actual death.

Drew Logan: Yeah. Actual death. Yeah. Had it not actually been for that. I don't think I ever would have come down this path. And it's something that is very, uh, very passionate about and really excited about. And I like to share the story because it gets people to go, okay, wow. This is different. But more than anything, what I like to do is to use just when people go, okay, so you didn't make this up one day, you know, like this really hatefully had, you had to go through something to get to where you are, understand that you can make a difference and there is actually a science behind it, you know?

So it's something that is, I am it. And it is me. It's not something that I learned from, you know, positive thinking or something like that. I've had to live it.

Jonathan Levi: I love that. And I'm really glad you mentioned the science aspect of it and the neurology and the rewiring. Cause my background comes from accelerated learning and that's kind of my mission, what I'm doing.

So I want to talk a little bit about this whole rewiring. It's funny, I'm actually reading Rob Wolf's book Wired to eat right now. And I'd love to hear a little bit of also about neurology and the stuff that you're teaching and what does it mean to “rewire my body and rewrite kind of the way that my body treats food” and stuff like that.

Drew Logan: Right. Well, I'll kind of ask it to you in questions and kind of lead to your own answer. And when you start to think about it logically first, and then you go find the science that backs up the logic you go, oh my God how did I not see this? How has nobody else seen it? Right? So there are a couple of chemicals in the brain, as you probably well know, Jonathan, there are a couple of chemicals in the brain that tend to trigger the way that we feel. Right. Okay. Back away from those chemicals just for a minute. And let's understand that there are two things that are driving forces in our life. One of them is pain and one of them is pleasure. Right? So those two systems really drive everything that makes us feel like why we want to do something.

I want to do this because I really like it or I want to do this because I hate the converse of it. Right? So there are two kinds of things, you know, and either way, both of them make you very disturbed about your position, right? You either want to make it better, or you'd like to continue down the path that exam.

All right. So having understood that. It makes sense that if we can do things that exercise and nutrition that caused those brain chemicals, which by the way, are linked to every kind of pattern and every kind of habit or whatever you'd like to call it. For example, dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, you know, those kinds of things, the strong superpower-

If we can do things that can control those in a positive, in a positive habit that we find ourselves more likely to stay in a positive, I hate using the word routine, but a plan, a program, something that creates an ongoing structure. Right? So. This is a very simple example, but say, for example, a dog, you can train a dog.

I've got three dogs. In fact, I have one dog, that's a cardiac alert dog that works with me. He's worked with me for over a decade and he's a genius, but you can train a dog negatively. Right? Which is a correction. In a way that they are fearful of the correction. They don't know they're doing it, but they're fearful of it.

Right. You know, because they're fearful of the correction, right? They have various different training mechanisms and so on that are used as they get older, they don't associate with the fact that, Hey, that correction doesn't hurt anymore. It's just a word they don't ever do that. In fact, if you say it in the same kind of manner, they'll Yelp sometimes, and you don't even have the tools that have been used to train them when they were puppies don't even exist anymore.

It's that they have a connotation associated with that command. We're the same way. Well, I mean, I'm not saying we're dogs, but I'm saying we're very much the same way and that we are programmed to think that a certain kind of response is what we're supposed to have. So if you tell yourself a man exercise sucks, this is really hard. This is painful. It's hurt. I really don't like to work out. Maybe I don't know why you started this. I don't know why you began to tell yourself this thing, but as long as you continue to tell yourself things, then you think that is the way that it's supposed to feel. So you do never actually get any of the positive benefit of having actually done it. Right?

Let's take it on the other side. All right. What are the biggest dopamine creators on earth is a dopamine uptake inhibitor also known as cocaine, right? Extremely, extremely addictive. The reason why it's addictive isn't because of that, it's, you know, I've never done it, but presumably not because it tastes good or, you know, or it feels good or whatever, what happens is that the dopamine, which is the reward chemical of our body, the same reward that you get when you face a test or get a promotion or meet the girl of your dreams, or, you know, whatever it is, find your favorite car, you know, that you're going to get for, you know, a great deal. Right? And so this drug, which is very dangerous and known to have extreme dopamine response, it creates such a dopamine release, but it doesn't allow it to recycle back into the system. Right. So it stays in that higher position and it continues to go higher and higher and higher and higher until some point it does bottoms out. Right?

And when it does the downside or so they say is much worse than the upside. The problem is, is to get back to feeling normal. You have to do it to get back there, right? So it creates this vicious cycle. Well, that's the bad connotation, right? What if we looked at it the other way? What if we said, Hey, if I exercise at this time done this way, and this is a big portion of what my book is about.

I don't have anything that interferes with the insulin or pancreatic response. In my system. And since I don't have that, my body has to access fat as energy. What an access as fat as energy, then it also has to access. It has to oxidize its own blood or VOT, right? When it does that, it causes, this is a dopamine release when it's completed.

Right. It feels very, very good. It doesn't matter the intensity or the activity as much. It matters what was in your system and what was controlling your hormones when that began to happen. Right? So if I'm doing that and I have a food system that also does the exact same thing in a top, all that off, I'm blocking it together in five day periods of time.

We actually grade myself then it would make sense that we can create neurological patterns based on our brain chemical response, exercise nutrition, and the studies show that it happens between as early as day 18 and as late as about day 60, but the average or the place where it hits most often is about 25 days.

That's the name of my book. And that's why I wrote 25 days was to really create a program that could formulate and actually structure people with, um, proven science, nutrition, proven science exercise. And what I would say is kind of an ebb and flow type workout, um, so that your body does active recovery and growth process at its maximum.

To be able to juggle patterns positively in 25 days. Does that mean if you need to lose a hundred pounds, you're gonna lose a hundred pounds in 25 days? Absolutely not. That's not the point. The point is to get yourself in a position such that you are capable of, you know, turning that into a reality. So that's a cliff notes version of it, but, um, you can understand it if we're capable animals.

And we are of controlling those brain chemicals through exercise and nutrition and sleep and hydration and, and supplementation and so on. And why wouldn't we? You know.

Jonathan Levi: I like that a lot.

Drew Logan: you talk about rapid, rapid learning. So.

Jonathan Levi: Yeah, I like that a lot. I definitely identified, you know, for me going to the gym is still a pain and I do it and I've done it for the better part of 20 years, but it's still a alright you know, this is going to be painful and it's going to hurt. So walk me a little bit through, you know, give me an overview of what this 25 day process looks like.

Drew Logan: Sure. What I did was 25 days is two things right out of the gate. Like the first thing that you said when you just now told me, I still go to the gym I have done for 20 years or so. And sometimes it's a begrudging thing that I do.

I get it. I totally get it. The majority of the people that I work with, just the anticipation of putting on your clothes, getting in the car, driving to the gym or whatever the heck, that's the reason they don't go. It's not because they don't like the place usually it's the whole preparation to get there.

And, uh, And then they're there and they're like, I'm not the move cause I was irritated to get here. So what I did is I said, I'm going to make a program that could be done from anywhere. You can do it in your home. You could do it in your living room. You could do it in your garage. You can do it on your back porch.

You can do it anywhere with the minimal amount. Of workout equipment. So the only thing that I really suggestible having is a jump rope, maybe an exercise band, maybe a set of dumbbells or two that's really about it. I have a really nice yoga mat that I like to use because that's a really heavy-duty oversized yoga mat.

Um, just because. You know, I don't want to be like, hit my knee on the concrete, you know, or something like that. But that's all the equipment that I can have. Right? Right. And so I said, I want to create a program that uses that for strength training. And then I want people to be able to feel like whatever activity did they enjoy doing, whether it's a, a class people like spin classes or they like yoga classes, or they like boxing classes or whatever the case may be.

All great stuff. I wanted to teach people that there's no reason to abandon whatever it is that you like because you bought my book and this guy says I should get in shape his way, right? As a professional, that is complete crap. I'll be the first person to say that, right. Is that if there's any other professional out there telling you that you have to do their workout only, or you're not going to get there then you need to stop reading.

Because there's no such thing. Right? And evident by the fact that we've seen very fit swimmers. We've seen very fit runners, we've seen very fit CrossFit guys and bodybuilders ballet dancers, and you name it, right? So all of that stuff works. So if anybody tells you that, my way is the only way that's a crock.

Right. What I wanted to be able to do was to go. This really gets into it borders on the live coaching and stuff that I do. Jonathan, I want to eliminate as many obstacles as possible, right? So the whole, like, I don't want to go to the gym. I don't have time. Well, this only takes about 30 minutes and you don't have to go to the gym and you don't need a bunch of equipment.

And nobody's going to point at you and laugh. You don't have to worry about anybody else watching you. I wanted to eliminate as many obstacles as possible. So imagine if you will, if you look down at your, your hand, And you have five fingers there and your lookout in your thumb is one. All right. So you're going today one is going to be, I'm going to call this a, an, a workout, and it's going to be a weight training workout day two, or your first finger, right? That is going to be a cardiovascular active recovery workout or a one and then day three, which is your middle finger is going to be back to a strength training. And day four is going to be different cardio workout and day five. It going to be back to a strength. Now, the reason why I said five days is that this grading structure, which is a big part of this thing that I've created, and I'll give you the backstory on this in a second, they were the reason why I created this. You'll get a kick out of it, but this grading structure creates. What we've done all of our lives, right? So most of us started school when we were four or five years old and we were taught, learn what you have to learn for your upcoming tests, do really good on your right. And we've done that all of our lives.

And then we go to work at some point as adults, and we have a project coming up, work as hard as you can for the project coming up. Don't move through to the next thing, right? We've created a, a worker bee slash goal-driven thing, but then people go into fitness with neither. It's just like a never-ending, Oh, I've gotta be fit all my life.

I guess I'm gonna have to do this for the next 50 years, instead of saying, you know what, let's just take five days at a time. And then that five days, period of time, you're going to do three weight training workouts and you can do two cardio workouts. Well, in the five days that follow those, you're going to flip it and you're going to do three cardio workouts and then only to weight training workouts. Right? So that's the basic premise of how the structure is set. The exercises. So what this does is it uses completely different energy pathways for him. Right? So we understand, for the most part, I hope the listeners too. And, and I'll, I'll hit it a little bit when we are weight training and please understand guys that even if you do a pushup and there's no actual weight in your hands and you're doing them in your living room, technically that is weight/strength training.

It's not that you actually have to have a weight in your hand. It's that you are challenging your strength level of something. Right? So even if you're holding a static position, you know, just kind of maybe like sitting against the wall by symmetrically holding and your legs get very tired. You're not weight training per set.

You are actually strength training because you are building strength. So it's possible to accomplish that without having to go to the gym and pump a ton of iron, right. And that was the point of what I were to create. So these workouts are created in a fun manner that, that you can compete against yourself.

There's a beginner, an intermediate-advanced, but the exercise is pretty much you're kept in the same order. And they're the same way of doing them. You just maybe had more stents or maybe a few variations here and there, and the ways that you do them and you time it, you time, like how fast can I go through one round of exercise?

Sizes, you know, when you create a time for yourself and then, okay, I'll just see if I can beat it again. So everything about the exercises, every single part, the grading system, everything about the food system, everything that has created in the twenty-five days program is built around positive dopamine response in response to exercise and accomplishing the goal within that exercise.

So let's say, for example, you, Jonathan, maybe you're an advanced workout person and you do five rounds. Well, you've got five, five individual opportunities in just the workout to have the positive dopamine response, just in competing against yourself and achieving. Because every time you achieve your brain says that that feels good.

I'm happy. Good for me, Pat myself on the back. Yay me. Right. So in the completion of the workout and you're grading yourself based on, on, if you complete the workout, not how well you complete the workout, and this is the thing that a lot of people do wrong in my opinion, right? I've worked with a lot of professionals.

NFL, NBA, hockey players, there's baseball players, fighters, you name it. I've even worked with the military special forces guys, everybody, right? For those high level training people, it's not about doing the exercise to maybe start saying, I've heard that you should be going as pretty as you possibly can in whatever the specific thing is that you're doing right now, but making it a pass, fail based on whether or not I can move faster than the next guy next to me, or I don't really feel like that's a positive training approach.

And this is just my opinion. And the reason why is that we're doing exercise to be able to do something else in the real world. Better, right. Exactly. Yeah. So my NBA players and my NFL players, they don't go into the gym and then get into the whizzing contest about who can work out faster to lift more.

They're like, dude, we're in here to try to get better so we can go on the court or we can go on the field and we can perform better out there. I mean, who wants to be the best at exercising? Like we're trying to like do something better in life. So when you look at it from that approach, it is a tool that you're utilizing to really maximize the output of whatever your chosen thing is. And I don't care if you're a stock trader or if you're a brain surgeon or an orthodontist, or if you're a running back, right. Whatever you're doing physically is going to make you at a higher level of game, whatever game it is that you're playing, you know? So when you take that approach and then it becomes something that you enjoyably, you know, kind of get into, you know, you don't go like so many people say, Oh, I have to go. No, no, you get to do it right, because I've also known friends that have been in car wrecks and have been paralyzed. There's one liver transplant from some kind of weird liver disease and he has played 13 years in the NFL.

It gets out, he's made a great career for himself. He's likely going to be in the hall of fame. Boom gets hit with this weird liver disease. And last year had a liver transplant. He is just now at the point where he can go for a jog for 30 minutes. He can't even bench press his own body weight, you know, and he was a professional football player, right?

He is so happy to be able to have the opportunity to get out and move and feel vibrant and feel the hormone response and a few of the brain chemicals. Because when we sit around, we become dormant. Everything becomes dormant, our blood, our lymph system, our brain chemicals, our hormones. And then we sit at the desk and we rage about whatever we got going on the computer.

And then we drink a soda, we drink a coffee and we eat a doughnut or whatever the heck is there at the office. And we're not moving and when we're not moving our game, whatever our game is, isn't excelling. So the point of me putting this program together was going, listen, people need more positive reward, not based on how they do, but if they do.

And give themselves a great, so in the 25-day scale, everybody has a food-grade and an exercise grade that gives you the cumulative for your day. And then each day is worth 20 points. And then over five days you have a cumulative grade for five days and you have five rounds of that for 25 days. Here's the interesting thing is that in the last 12 years that I've been doing this program, I've found that everybody that stays at an 85% or higher cumulative grade always hits their goals. And always, always, always changes their life. And I don't mean they get smaller gains it's astonishing. What people have accomplished that have stayed in.

 This one guy's a movie star now. And when I met him, he was 50 pounds overweight. So what about being able to accomplish his goals and believing in himself and feeling good about exercising instead of hating?

Jonathan Levi: Wow.

Drew Logan: At the physical level is where we start everything mentally.

Jonathan Levi: I love that. And I think that's a really important message. And I also really like the message about you don't have to work out, you get to work out. And I think that lesson applies to anything, you know, you don't have to make time to be with your family, you get to make time to be with your family. I think that's a huge mindset shift for a hundred percent. I realized just now that we're coming up on time pretty quickly. So I wanted to ask you if you had any homework for the audience that they could do this week before next week's episode.

Drew Logan: Sure. There are a couple of basic, just really tried and true, simple things. And what I would like for everybody to do is to get up in the morning, maybe 30 or the ideal number is an hour, and there's a bunch of science behind that, that I won't get into.

But if you woke up an hour before you normally do, and you're going to drink 20 ounces of water only, no cough. No other anything. And I just want you to go for a walk for one hour, right? And then if you can only get it 45 minutes because you're busy or I get it, or maybe it's only 30, but I want you to do it.

And I want you to do it every single day for a week. And see if you don't notice that throughout that day, you oddly find yourself more empowered, sharper, mentally having more energy and kind of the overall feeling of. I'm capable of more. I can reach a higher potential than what I'm doing. I am empowered to kind of strive.

You know what I mean? That's the first thing, the other thing is write down three things that you absolutely have to accomplish in the second half of this year. And I don't mean like, you know, you need to make your bed. I mean, three things you absolutely have to accomplish and then put that together and see if you don't feel like, Hey, that's possible. I can do that and start working in that direction. If you don't write it down, it's just a pipe dream.

Jonathan Levi: I like it. I like it. I feel like we really only do two, just the surface here, Drew, but we have run up on time here. So I wanted to give you an opportunity to tell the audience where they can learn more about you. Where do they can check out the 25-day program?

Drew Logan: Absolutely. So I don't know where your listeners are and stuff, but you can always find me on the internet. Go to my website it's or My 2 5 and you'll have links there to everything from Google to iTunes, to Kindle or Barnes and Noble or Books-A-Million or whatever, you're able to download the book and you can find out more about me. I will be posting a lot more video posts and blogs and stuff right there. And we have the contest going. I'll tell your guys because it hasn't really officially been released, but you guys here are going to probably hear about us first, but there's going to be a contest that we're going to be running called the 25 days challenge.

That will happen when the book is released, the way you get to be a part of the 25 days challenge is to go pre-order the book right now because it's on a discount and then enter on my website to quote-unquote, get your free gift. Now the free gift is I am actually going to do a live private video, consult three of them one each week for the first three weeks with people undertaking the 25 days challenge. If we're going to get into this program, it's not just getting better physically, but getting better mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and so on. And we're going to set this up for a big transformation vacation. We're calling it, which is going to fly two people into Los Angeles, all-expense-paid for a week.

And we're going to do a week-long, intensive, myself and some of the other trainers, and maybe you'll even meet some of the celebrities that I work with and things like that. And we're going to really undertake, not just the 25 days challenge physically, but also from a mental and life coaching standpoint as well.

So this is all stuff that you guys are hearing about. Go to and connect the dots there.

Jonathan Levi: Amazing. And we will link people up to that on the website. So people make sure that they find it. Drew, I want to thank you. Uh, but before I do that, I want to ask you the last question we always ask, which is if people are able to remember just one big, big takeaway from this episode and carry it with them for the rest of their lives, what would you hope for that one to be?

Drew Logan: The one thing I would like to tell everybody, and I hope you'll take for the rest of your life. You have no concept of their fragility and brief kind of passing of life so that you need to understand that it is important to really capitalize on the magic that exists in every single day. You need to tell every single person that means something to you that you love them. You need to hug your kids, hug your dogs, smile, be happy. The reality is not much of it matters in the long run. And what you want to be able to do is to make sure to see if you can have an impact on other people's lives.

Jonathan Levi: Love it. And I couldn't agree more. Mr. Drew Logan, I want to thank you so much for sharing your story and sharing your wisdom and I really hope we get to speak again.

Drew Logan: I'd love it. Thanks a lot, Jonathan.

Jonathan Levi:  All right. You take care.

Drew Logan: Alright buddy.

Jonathan Levi: All right, SuperFriends. That is all we have for you today, but I hope you guys really enjoyed the show and I hope you learned a ton of actionable information tips, advice that will help you go out there and overcome the impossible.

If you've enjoyed the show, please take a moment to leave us a review on iTunes or Stitcher, or drop us a quick little note on the Twitter machine @gosuperhuman. Also, if you have any ideas for anyone out there who you would love to see on the show, we always love to hear your recommendations. You can submit it on our website, or you can just drop us an email and let us know.

 That's all for today, guys, thanks for tuning in.

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  1. Luiz
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    Thanks, I learned a lot of interesting things in past episodes.

  2. Shivaditya Purohit
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    loved th heart and the depth of the conversation. The way that Dr. Metivier shared from his enormous experience and insights was just amazing. Thank you Jonathan for doing this podcast!! 🙂

  3. Rob
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    Great interview with Dr. Greg Wells! He mentioned a doctor from Colorado around the 42:30 point of the podcast, discussing turmeric and black pepper. I couldn’t make out the doctor’s name. Can you provide me with his full name and maybe his website or contact info. Interested in his products.



  4. Muhammed Sani Ibrahim
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    I am new here, and learning really fast.
    Thank you.

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