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Performance, Mindset, and Perseverance W/ Garrett Weber-Gale, Entrepreneur and World-Class Athlete

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“Your dream is still out there. You may not have found it yet. Keep searching, keep trying things that seem like they could be interesting to you.”
— Garrett Weber-Gale

Greetings, SuperFriends!

Today we are joined by Garrett Weber-Gale. Garrett is an entrepreneur, a world-class athlete, and a dedicated husband and dad.

Garrett started his first company at the age 12, much like myself. He also started a sports performance food company called AthleticFoodie, but, today, he serves as the CEO of the Acton School of Business.

By the way, as a world-class athlete, Garrett broke 8 American records, 4 World Records, and won 2 Olympic Gold Medals at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. He also received an ESPY award for “Best Moment” as part of the 400-freestyle relay performance at the Beijing Olympics, and in 2014 he was inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame.

This makes Garrett the first Olympian we've ever had on the show, and, also, the first person running an entire business school that we've ever had on the show!

It's a wide-ranging episode, where we talk a lot about performance and about mindset. We also talk about life transitions, including how Garrett made this tremendous transition from A to B, where he also shares his words of wisdom with us.

I hope you folks really enjoy this episode! If you do, please leave a review.

-Jonathan Levi

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In this episode, we discuss:

  • Getting ready for a big event (a.k.a. what Garrett Weber-Gale is up to right now) [4:00]
  • How did Garrett Weber-Gale get into swimming? [5:00]
  • Why does Garrett Weber-Gale claim that he is not SuperHuman [7:25]
  • The importance of having a community to support you [9:20]
  • How Garrett persevered through the tough moments [11:20]
  • Hate to lose vs love to win [12:40]
  • How did visualization help Garrett get through the harder points of his journey? [14:20]
  • Going from attending business school to managing it [16:55]
  • More about Acton School of Business [21:05]
  • Habits that Garrett utilizes to be able to perform at his best [24:20]
  • How does Garrett feel about being a parent? [25:40]
  • A piece of homework you can try at home [27: 15]
  • A product that Garrett can't live without [28:35]
  • The impact outsourcing daily tasks has had in Garrett's life [29:10]
  • What are some books that have shaped Garrett Weber-Gale's life? [32:30]
  • Garrett's takeaway message [34:15]

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Favorite Quotes from Garrett Weber-Gale:

“I'm not superhuman in any way. I went to the Olympics because I had a true love for the water.”
“The people who go to the top in sports and business, most of the time it's not the people who are most talented, but the people who are deeply in love with what they are doing.”
“Part of where you learn how to be gritty and work hard and go through pain and misery is just by seeing what other people do.”
“Entrepreneurship can't be taught, but it can be learned.”
“You can't contribute to anyone else until you contribute to yourself.”
“We're happy to use our money to have people help us get back time in our lives.”


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Greeting, SuperFriends, and welcome to this week's episode. Today we are joined by Garrett Webber-Gale he's an entrepreneur, a world-class athlete, and a dedicated husband and dad, Garrett started his first company at the age of 12, much like myself.

He also started a sports performance food company called athletic foodie, but today he serves as the CEO of the Acton School of Business. By the way along the way through his journey. Garret broke 8 American records, 4 world record medals at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. He received an ESPY award for best moment and in 2014, he was inducted into the International Jewish Sports hall of fame. This makes Garrett the first Olympian we've ever had on the show. And also the first person running an entire business school we've ever had on the show. It's a wide-ranging episode. We talk a lot about performance. We talk about mindset and we talk about life transitions.

How Garrett made this tremendous transition from A to B. And his words of wisdom to share with all of you. So I hope you guys really enjoy the episode. If you do, please leave a review. All right guys, enjoy Mr. Garrett Weber-Gale, welcome to the show, my friend. How are ya?

Garrett Weber-Gale: I'm doing terrific. When you have a 10-month-old son, every single day is a joy from the minute you wake up to the minute you go to sleep.

Jonathan Levi: Wow, that's incredible. So you have that on your plate, and I understand you are planning a very big event tomorrow. Tell me about that.

Garrett Weber-Gale: That's true. So I'm the CEO of the Acton School Business. It's a 10 month MBA program for entrepreneurship in Austin, Texas, and we have a big acting summit tomorrow and Saturday here in Austin, Texas alarms from around the world are coming in for a series of discussions, deep dives, and learning, reconnecting with each other.

So we're doing a lot here to get that ready, which is going to be really fun.

Jonathan Levi: That is very, very cool. So I want to take a couple of steps back and I want to go right into, because I have to actually say though, our show is called becoming superhuman. I think you are the first Olympian that has ever been on the show.

So that is really, really cool. And I believe I have Brandon to thank for making that happen. So thank you, Brandon. But. Tell me a bit about that. I mean, how did you get into swimming were you always a naturally talented athlete? I want to start right at the beginning.

Garrett Weber-Gale: I swam. I was in the pool when I was six weeks old.

My mom, she swam in college. Her dad's swim in college. My mom and her father were just great athletes. And from young age, I just, I loved being in the water. My sister, my family, and I were always in the water and just doing tons of activities. My first Olympic dream was really to be a downhill skier, watching the Willa Hummer games in 1994 and really realized soon.

You know, after that, that the Hills that I was skiing on in Wisconsin were not going to prepare me for Olympic slalom courses, but I am not superhuman in any way. And people on this podcast listening should know about that. I went to the Olympics because I had a, you know, A true love for the water and for understanding how the waterworks and how my body works and putting the puzzle together, how you go through the water quickly and whether that's nutrition, sleep, mental toughness, physical training, strength training, you know, I was just really interested in all those puzzles and.

You know, dedicated myself to those for a long time, did tons of different sports and activities growing up, and started swimming year-round in high school got better and better and better one to be University of Texas swim with a ton of great Olympians at the University of Texas. Miss my first shot at the Olympics was in 2004, you know, vowed that I would never feel that type of pain and disappointment.

Again, came back in 2008. Had an amazing Olympic trial, went to the Olympics, had a lot of success. And then also, you know, went to the 2012 Olympic trials, missed the Olympic team, but then came back the year later, went to the Maccabiah Games in Israel, which you're there obviously now and had the time of my life.

So the swimming journey, it was a gift really and was so thankful to have experienced all that.

Jonathan Levi: So I want to push back on this because I would argue that. I mean, I would have thought you're the first Olympian that I've ever spoken to at length, but I would have thought that everyone at that level is superhuman.

Elaborate on that. I mean, obviously, you were able to achieve superhuman performance. I have here in my notes, I believe you took home two gold medals in one of the most competitive sports in the world. So elaborate on that. I mean, what makes you say you're not superhuman, and is that just another way of saying.

Did you get there? Not because of God-given talent, but because of hard work.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah. So I made, you know, be going against what you're focusing on, but I guess I would categorize superhuman as if someone was caught underneath a car and I need to whip the car to get them out, you know, I had a superhuman act. In order to win that car, which was outside of my normal capability, that to me would be superhuman.

What I experienced in the sport of swimming is that I had such a deep love for swimming and for understanding how to move through the water. And what I've found is that the people who go to the top and sports and business and whatever else, it's not always the people. In fact, I would say it's most of the time, not the people who are most talented, but the people who were deeply, deeply in love with what they're doing, they get into a flow state when they're doing it.

And they have the good fortune of community around them that gives them the opportunity to actually cultivate their gifts and their passion into doing something extraordinary.

Jonathan Levi: Well, I would agree with you. I think there's two really interesting points to take away from that one is that it's. In your situation, it was not about gritting your teeth ah And suffering through this. It actually, your incredible ability came from love and passion. And what you're doing that allowed you to get into, you know, higher States of consciousness. I love that you went into flow state because we had Stephen caller on the show talking about Olympians, such as yourself.

And the second thing that I love that you brought up is the. The role of the community, because I think our society has a tendency to point out the CEO, the athlete, the artist, and forget that it takes a village to build that person.

Garrett Weber-Gale: So on the first point, I agree. Just point out that I definitely had a love for swimming and for racing.

That's not to say that I didn't go through a ton of misery and hard-working grit over a long period of time to get to the Olympics. And there are certainly times where I wasn't in love with swimming and I lost my love and I had to refine it. So that happens. And really the community aspect is just near and dear to my heart.

And I was having breakfast with someone this morning and we were talking about. You know, being a dad and I've really realized that my whole ambition now is to set our family's life up in a way that we can give our son Gideon every opportunity to pursue his dreams and have the resources to actually.

Be as good as he wants to be. And whatever he's excited about, I have fortunately had a family and a community of teachers, mentors, coaches, who invested that in me. And there were plenty of people around me who were more talented than me that were also very hard workers. And unfortunately, they didn't have anyone to pick them up when they were down.

They didn't have anyone to help them go to a swim camp to learn new techniques.

Jonathan Levi: Wow. I think that's a really important thing just for everyone in the audience to remember is be thankful and also cultivate the community and don't neglect the relationships. It's I don't think anyone expected, you know, in a conversation with an Olympian to hear about it listening.

I was so lucky to have the family bonds, but it is such an important point that bears repeating, you know, I actually wanted to ask you, Garrett. About the mindset and the tenacity. I have an obsession with tenacity and willpower. I'm reading my like second or third book on willpower in the last month, but it sounds to me like, it, it wasn't a matter of willpower for you.

It was a matter of passion, but I guess I'll phrase the question on the list, which is what got you through all that grueling training.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah. So, I mean, this is just a complex puzzle and I can't explain always in the most articulate way. So first there's kind of the view of what can be, which was 1994, 1996 Olympics.

That was married with my love for being in the water and having an understanding of how the water worked. And then there was, you know, this. Almost platform and framework for understanding how people go there, which is getting around coaches and people who had been there before. And also part of the way you learn how to be gritty and work hard and go through pain.

And misery is just by seeing what other people do. So when you're training with 30 other people and you see the fact that other people are going through really hard things, you realize, okay, I'm not going to die. I can go through this too. My coach at Texas, he is probably the most storied Olympic coach in any sport in history.

He's coached 38 Olympians, 60 some Olympic medals have been won by those people. He always says the 90% of the Olympians. Hate to lose 10% love to wimn When I was a kid, I was always under-talented undersize. When I share my dream of the Olympics, people always made fun of me. I had this chip that was built on my shoulder, which I never understood why everyone doubted me.

It's like, Hey, I just have this pure dream of going to the Olympics. Why are people doubting me? And that fed my motivation that fed this whole mentality of if someone comes alongside me. You're not going to get by me, you know, the willingness to put my body on the line and race hard and train hard. And that was fueled also by failures in 2004, when I missed the Olympic team by one place, when I was 18, I promised myself I would never let myself feel that type of pain and disappointment again.

And every time I was training and it was really hard, I remember that vividly. Feeling of what that was like and how miserable was. And that's how I kept pushing through the difficult training periods.

Jonathan Levi: Wow. There's a, I think a really big takeaway there, you talked about visualization and I think that's an important skill that we see, not just in memory athletes, which is what I talk about all day, but also in elite athletes that it's that ability to visualize, like in your moment of the most suffering, like, I am never going to feel that way again, and there is no way you're going to pass me because I'm not feeling that again.

Would you say visualization and kind of? Not too much. I guess what I'm trying to ask is would you say that mental exercise and visualization and keeping yourself mentally and emotionally fit was a huge part of your Olympic success?

Garrett Weber-Gale: Absolutely. I went to a swim camp when I was 14. A coach there was named Mike Bottom.

That was probably in 2002. He had coached the gold medal-winning. They tied for the gold medal and the 2000 games in the 50 freestyle. And he told us what separated the good athletes from the great athletes and what he said was in every race. There's a point. And this is, you know, race life of a business, whatever it is, every journey has a point when it gets really, really hard.

And sure it's going to be hard here and there, but when everything comes to head where your stomach is on fire, your legs and arms feel out glad you can't go any further. What the good athletes think mentally is. Holy crap. This is really going to hurt and they let up on the gas pedal and the great athletes.

They all of a sudden get this flood of adrenaline and excitement to say, this is where I'm going to take. The pain by the neck and squeeze tighter and tighter and tighter. And this is where I'm going to actually rise above the rest. And he taught us how to visualize about that moment and the rates and what your mind is going to be thinking of and what your body is going to feel like.

And so every night after I. Went to that swim camp. I laid on my back and I'd visualize myself with the 75 or 80 meter Mark and a hundred freestyle, what it was going to feel like, what I was going to be thinking. And I actually got to the point where. I had visualized it so many times I was actually anticipating the moment.

I was actually excited for that moment to come because I knew I was stronger mentally and physically than any pain or mental, you know, difficulty that was going to. Come about. And that, that was when I was going to surpass my competition.

Jonathan Levi: Wow. That's phenomenal. And such an interesting point, you know, for any of us, even who are not competitive in a serious way about our athletics, but we all get to that point.

We all get to that mile, Mark where, you know, it's. A lot more mind than matter to push through. And just this, I find it very comforting. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it very comforting. The idea that you can train your mind to push you through those incredibly, incredibly difficult moments.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah,

Jonathan Levi: after that, Garrett, you made a pretty big transition. And what I think is so interesting is that you attended a business school four years ago, which we both did. My five-year reunion is coming up next month. But the difference is you are now running that business school. Tell me how that happens.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah. Well, I graduated from the Acton school business in May of 2014, started a business two days after that grew that business successfully for 20 months, it was a sports nutrition business. We made snacks for athletes, distributed them around the country individually, and then also to university athletic departments that grew on internal cash flows from.

You know, starting with $9,600 and did about 380,000 in revenue. And about 20 months raise money in the 21st and 22nd month, a couple of things in the market change. And I decided, you know what? I don't want to put people's capital at risk for this opportunity. And I don't think it's the best opportunity for my time and talents.

And I'm actually gonna. Shut this thing down and return all the money to the investors. And so that's what I did. I called all of them on the phone and told them I was going to return the money and close on business. We had a conversation about it. And then I spent about three months looking at what my next opportunity is going to be.

I looked at two in New York, one in Boulder, two opportunities in Austin spent a week with several of the different opportunities. And at first, I wasn't sure that I wanted to come back to act in and run this, this program. What I actually did was it came down to Acton and this other opportunity in Boulder, Colorado, and I have this mentor and him, Steven Tomlinson.

He carries this little notebook in his back pocket all the time when he draws pictures. And he writes words with arrows and kind of these coral airy, you know, pictures. And I decided, you know what, I'm going to draw a picture of both of these opportunities. So I took a piece of printer, paper, and colored pencils, and I.

For over three days, drew as much as I possibly could, as vividly as I could, of what I would be doing, would I be learning who the people would be? That I'd be around the impact that I would make on the world? What my family life would be, you know, the money that I will be afforded each opportunity and how that would set our family up.

And one opportunity, which isn't. You know, running him was way more compelling than the other opportunity. And I have absolutely loved being the CEO of the Acton school business. This place changed my life as it did all the people I went to school with. And it's just a great experience to work on something that you truly love that you know, is making a significant impact on people.

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We've actually teamed up with four Sigmatic to bring you an incredible 15% discount to take advantage of that. Just visit today. All right. Back to the show. I'd love to hear about acting because I understand that it's entrepreneurship-focused and BA one of my issues with my MBA was despite the fact that I didn't see how it is positioning itself to be.

One of the world's preeminent MBAs, everyone gets sucked into the consulting track and everyone gets sucked into the finance track. And it's so alluring, it's such a big part of the school's history. So for those in the audience who were interested to hear about Acton, I'd love to hear about it.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Right So Acton was. It was started by a group of entrepreneurs who were adjunct professors at the University of Texas. And they left and chosen three to start the Acton school business as its own institution. And you know, their premise really is that entrepreneurship can't be taught, but it can be learned the way you teach it.

Or the way you learn it rather is by Socratic discussions. So what that means is that you know, there are no lectures is basically an act in you stand in the shoes of 200 different entrepreneurs through case discussions throughout the course of the 10 months. And you. Make hard decisions. You state your point, you back that up by your assumptions and your analysis, and you wrestle with people in 80-minute blocks and over 200 different cases.

And over the course of doing that, you learn the right questions to ask, to figure out puzzles and the businesses that you're facing. Ask those questions in the right order and really develop a mindset that you can go approach the world with. Whether that's in personal life or in business, we make each student three promises.

You'll learn how to learn. You'll learn how to make money. You'll learn how to live a life of meaning. All the teachers here are really successful entrepreneurs in varying different fields. And people come to Acton because they want to be entrepreneurs. They want to develop a toolkit and a mindset, and they want to do it in a way that makes a positive impact on the world.

I think we could probably agree that selling cigarettes probably is not the greatest contribution you could make to the world. And I'm sure people could argue that case here, you know, they're whatever, but. The people who come to act and they fundamentally want to start and run businesses that are positively contributing to society.

So it's a special place. It changed my life. My best friends came from the program and I'm just so honored and tickled by the fact that I was chosen to be the person to continue this ship onto the future.

Jonathan Levi: Very cool. And I think another thing that's really, really cool about the program is it's like in Seattle, it's a 10 month condensed MBA, right?

I mean, one of the things that blow my mind is that some of these, most of the other top MBAs or two years, which is a long time to be out of the job market that you're supposed to innovate in. And it's also. There's a lot of fluff. Let's be honest. There's a lot of fluff in a two-year MBA.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah. So Acton is actually even more condensed than that.

So it's 10 months, the first five of which can be done from anywhere in the world. So we have our own online platform. You're paired with another student, a guide Who's an alumni. You have study groups, you work within your teams, but that is effectively 30 or so hours a week, 35 hours a week. And most people continue working on their jobs for most of that.

First five months, the second five months is in Austin and that's literally a hundred hours a week.

Jonathan Levi: Wow. Really, really, really cool. So I want to transition here. I know we're past the halfway Mark here, Garrett, and I want to ask you about clearly you're a very busy guy. You come from this world of ultra-high-performance individuals.

What are the things that you're doing in your life as a CEO, as a leader to improve your own performance mentally, physically, and otherwise?

Garrett Weber-Gale: Being physically fit. It's just, you know, you realize that you can't contribute to anyone else until you contribute to yourself. I wake up somewhere between 4:30 and 5:30 every single morning and train.

B Before Gideon wakes up at seven7:00 even on Saturdays, I'll ride my bike on the trainer in our living room from 5:00 AM to 7:00 AM on a Saturday morning. So that when Gideon wakes up at seven, I'm ready to take him on a 10 mile run in Austin. He loves being outside. And, um, we do that together, but really one of the ways that I optimize myself is just making sure that I feel really good physically and mentally.

And that starts with. Exercising. I train six days a week. I eat a completely plant-based diet. I don't have alcohol and I rarely have desserts that might be extreme for some people. For me, I feel like a million bucks. And once you feel how good it is, you realize that it's just, it's easy to continue doing.

Jonathan Levi: That's awesome. I love how you touched on all the different points and that's pretty incredible that you're able to get up that early, given that you have a 10-month-old. Who's probably not sleeping through the night.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah,

well, it's getting better and better. The other night, he actually slept for over 10 hours, which we were kind of freaked out by, but

Jonathan Levi: too good to be true.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah, it was pretty awesome. And it's just, it's funny. This might not be for every parent, whatever realizes that you're almost not tired because there's this adrenaline, like, it's almost like this low-level adrenaline. That's always going in my body because it's so fulfilling having a kid that even if he wants to be up.

You know, wrestling around from 1:30 to 2:00 in the morning, this time period to hold him and snuggle him from 1:30 to 2:00 in the morning that doesn't last forever,

Jonathan Levi: right?

Garrett Weber-Gale: The window is very, very short and I want to snuggle him and love him, you know, any time of the day, any time of the night and just cherish those moments.

And when you have that mindset, It's pretty amazing. The energy you have at all times a day.

Jonathan Levi: Wow. So true. I mean, not that I know from experience, but you hear this so much and so true, especially about, you know, your time with family members is really quite limited. If you get down to it, we had Tim urban on the show recently talking about, you know, Showing a visualization, a visual graph of all the time you have with your parents.

And by the time they're 18, you've used 95% of it up. So cherish those moments.

Garrett, I want to ask you, uh, a bunch of different questions just about your life today, but the first one I'd love to ask before we transition is homework on the show. We love to assign homework. I would love to get. We've already ranged so wide, but I'd love to get one piece of homework that you'd like to assign for our listeners to do before next week's episode.

And it can be anything from the drawing exercise you shared too, maybe a particular kind of workout that you think is incredibly useful.

Garrett Weber-Gale: One thing I've been doing recently, which I've really enjoyed. Most people hate when their alarm goes off in the morning. What I've started actually doing is when the alarm goes off, I hit the alarm button.

Then I lay there on my back quietly for about three to five minutes. And I just think about. What's going on in my life and I'll think, well, that Gideon's healthy, that the love of my life is laying in bed next to me that I have a job that I love. And, you know, there've been times when obviously I've had really rough goes and we can always find things to do.

We can always find things to think about that are positive in our life that we're thankful for. And just that three to five minutes of laying there, relaxing slowly, getting up quietly, getting up and. Being aware of what you're thankful for in the morning. I encourage each of the listeners to try that for a week and just see how, how refreshing that is to start your day with.

Jonathan Levi: That's a great piece of homework. I love that kind of a mindfulness meets gratitude morning routine. Really, really good. One. Garrett, let me ask you what's one product or service that you simply could not live without.

Garrett Weber-Gale: We love Instacart. I don't know if Instacart is in Israel or not, but when you have a kid, you realize what you can spend your time doing.

And I just can't afford to spend my time going to the grocery store anymore. So we'll order Instacart generally on Sunday morning, it'll get arrived by Sunday evening. And we cut out an hour and a half going to the grocery store that I could be walking outside or playing outside with Gideon. And it has just been truly the thing that has made such a big difference for us.

Jonathan Levi: Game-changer I actually want to comment on that because my lady friend was telling me the other day that a piece of research came out and I don't know where we were reading the Sydney Hebrew newspaper, but that. Basically the number $1 per effectiveness and happiness. We all know that the best way to spend money is experience.

If you're an individual, but if you are a couple, the best thing that you can do to improve. Satisfaction in your relationship and reduce the risk of divorce is to outsource stuff. So hiring a cleaner was the biggest one. Outsourcing certain tasks was the second one, like gardeners stuff like that. Third one was, uh, having meals delivered freshmen meals, things like that reduce the stress on their relationship.

It reduces the stress of the individuals. So yeah, we're doing the same thing. I wish we had Instacart here, but we're going to find our alternative options and, and definitely delegate, but we've delegated so much from the housekeeping to the well, lots of different stuff.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah. And on that note, it's funny, Kira and I talked, my wife's name is Kire a We talk about this actually of like. Looking at what we did together when we were first dating and when we first fell in love and then compare that to what you do now and our lives look very different now. I mean, we're married, we have a kid, we both have different professions than we did before we, yeah. I have a different set of friends that we see.

But when you think about outsourcing things that really allows you, it frees you up, it gives you more latitude to actually get back. Closer to the state you were when you fell in love with your partner. So if I don't have to go to the grocery store, I don't have to clean my house. I can take all that time and energy and refocus it on Kira and focus it on Gideon.

And that is such a better use of my resources. Not to mention, you know, this isn't always the case, but. We make more money now than we did before Kira and I as a family. And so we're not needing for more money to go and purchase things. We're happy to use our money to have people, you know, help us get back time in our lives so that we can focus in on each other and other people in our community that we love.

Jonathan Levi: Absolutely. And you hit the nail right on the head, Garrett. I mean talk about like what's important in life and I'm the biggest advocate of that is just. If you're going to make money, you better use it to improve your quality of life. If you're going to free up time, right? If you're going to learn all these productivity strategies like meditation, like, you know, single task, if you're basically going to improve your performance, which is all we talk about every single day, you better use that improved performance for things that actually matter.

Not, you know, more time answering stupid freaking emails, more and more equality, connection time with the people that you love. And also. People that you aspire to be around more, which I think is an important point, you know, that you mentioned with having the right coaches and the right community around you.

Awesome. So I know we're coming up on time. I do want to hit you up for a couple of different things. One is books that have most changed your life. I mean, you do work at a business school. So I imagine you have a lot of really, really good books that have impacted you.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Business books less. So, you know, slowing down to the speed of life is a really great one kind of the sequel to that is the untethered soul. Both of those changed my life dramatically.

Jonathan Levi: Wow.

Garrett Weber-Gale: I would also encourage people to pick up man's search for meaning by Viktor Frankl. You've probably read that one. That's a really powerful one. Yeah. I mean the more I think and learn about business and about sports when you're an athlete, you're not really reading about.

Athletics when you're in business, at least for me, I'm not reading as much about business as I am reading about people and about, you know, helping myself learn about myself and how I can be more personally effective and yes, slowing down to the speed of life, untethered soul man search for meaning the power of Ted in terms of a business book.

Let my people go surfing by Yvon Chouinard. Who's the founder of Patagonia. How they structured the culture of Patagonia so that people really were living the life that they wanted to, and kind of living out the ideals of Patagonia as a company. That's a great book as well.

Jonathan Levi: Well, wow really, really good list.

And I'm actually glad that you shied away from business books because I think you're right. I think, um, the real impactful ones come from again, your ability to connect with other human beings. And of course, with yourself.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah.

Jonathan Levi: So Garrett, I'm gonna let you go. You have a big event coming up tomorrow. I want to wish you luck on that before I let you go.

And before I thank you for your time, I want to ask you if people take away one message from this episode and they carry it with them for the rest of their lives, what would you hope for that message to be.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Your dream is still out there. You may not have found it yet. Keep searching, keep trying things that seem like they could be interesting to you.

I was fortunate that I found one of my dreams at a young age, which was. To go and represent the United States of America at the Olympics. My current dream is being the best father that I can be. And often people, they feel like there's not a dream out there for them. There is a dream out there for everyone.

I really believe there's an opportunity for everyone to be world-class at something. And a lot of times people give up on the idea that there is something out there for them to Excel at and for them to fall in love with. That's not the case. There is something out there for you to fall in love with.

There is something out there for you to be a world-class set. Should you decide you wanna be just keep trying new things. People learning, keep exciting, closing yourself to new ideas, and you will find something that you're truly in love with that you can Excel at.

Jonathan Levi: It's a beautiful message and a really, really good one to end on Mr.

Garrett, Weber-Gale Thank you very, very much for your time and for sharing your enthusiasm with us. I really do hope we keep in touch.

Garrett Weber-Gale: Yeah. Thanks, Jonathan.

Jonathan Levi: All right, Superfriends. That is all we have for you today, but I hope you guys really enjoyed the show and I hope you learned a ton of actionable information tips, advice that will help you go out there and overcome the impossible.

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  1. Luiz
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    Thanks, I learned a lot of interesting things in past episodes.

  2. Shivaditya Purohit
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    loved th heart and the depth of the conversation. The way that Dr. Metivier shared from his enormous experience and insights was just amazing. Thank you Jonathan for doing this podcast!! 🙂

  3. Rob
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    Great interview with Dr. Greg Wells! He mentioned a doctor from Colorado around the 42:30 point of the podcast, discussing turmeric and black pepper. I couldn’t make out the doctor’s name. Can you provide me with his full name and maybe his website or contact info. Interested in his products.



  4. Muhammed Sani Ibrahim
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    I am new here, and learning really fast.
    Thank you.

  5. Leonia
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    Maybe oarts of the things he has to share are right, maybe not. If I look at him which impact his nurturing and living style has on himself I see a very old looking man! He is year 1973!! That is not old and he looks definitly much older!! If I would not know his birthyear I would guess that he is in his mid-60ies!! A bit concering for someone who claims his lifestyle is suitable for a long life, isn’t it?

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